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Question from a naive American

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1:13 PM
January 7, 2010


Dean West

Springfield, Illinois

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posts 30

You've all a rather old and diverse culture to get a grasp of. Makes it kind of hard for me to write timely and topical articles on what I can see in the Times of India.

I am curious about Kashimir. If I'm understanding correctly, a variety of Hindus were withdrawn from that region, and while it's India's, Pakistan claims it.

I guess my questions are:

1. Is that assessment true?
2. How much do you all care about Kashmir? As much as we'd care if Mexico took Texas? Or only as much as we'd care if China took back "our" Taiwan?
3. Assuming you care a lot, what's keeping you from having the undisputed right to it? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but on the balance, I'd be betting on India in a Indo-Pakistani war. In fact, it seems so lop-sided, I'm not sure how you'd lose. What am I missing?

(If it's us, relax, we're cowards. Why do you think we're always so fierce with non-nuclear nations, while "yes sir'ing" to China?)

Guess that's all for now, though having read your 400 plus page Constitution (Okay, some parts I skimmed!) I'm wondering how you all manage over there. We've learned – not that it did us any good – that the more writing, the less rights. The "Weimar Republic" comes to mind.

You seem to have economic freedom, though not as much as you should. Funny how you all and China are doing the "unofficial capitalism" thing at once. And quite clever, too. If only one of you did it, the other would lose. I'm hoping we learn from that and become capitalist again ourselves.

Oh, here's one more question – what's up on the literacy? I was surprised to see it at 64 percent…what is keeping it down? Is that Education bill not being signed really what's responsible? I had thought you already had a regular public school system over there. If not, allow me to say that if your output is phenomenal now – and it is – you will truly come into your own with a higher literacy rate. You'd be surprised – as we were 150 years ago – just how many poor kids can become super-rich productive geniuses, with just a bit of basic education.

Feel free to ask me any questions about America. I'm an armchair anarchist, so I can be cynical about any of our hallowed institutions!
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5:41 PM
January 9, 2010


Dean West

Springfield, Illinois

Member

posts 30

19 views of my questions, but no replies?

If I have given offense, you have my sincerest apologies.

11:18 AM
August 6, 2010


htiwari1

New Member

posts 1

Hi Dean,
You have asked questions over a wide range and answering all of them will require a lot of writing! We Indians are brought up with the idea that Kashmir is ours and Pakistan is trying to hijack it. But, the more I look at it objectively, the more it appears that India wasn't 100% honest in taking Kashmir in the first place.

After independence, the subcontinent was a cluttered mess of over 300 princely states. In most cases, the local rulers held a referendum and decided on its basis whether to join India, Pakistan or remain independent. Most cases were straightforward, except Hyderabad and Kashmir.

In Hyderabad's case, the majority of the people were Hindus and wanted to accede to India. Moreover, it was right in the middle of the newly formed Indian state and would have no land connection to Pakistan. However, the Muslim ruler, Nizam wanted to join Pakistan. India's response was to take police action and force the Nizam to accede to India.

Exactly the opposite situation existed in Kashmir. They had a Muslim majority, eager to join Pakistan but a Hindu ruler. India acted quickly and got the ruler to join India. Pakistan responded by marching into Kashmir and they managed to capture territory, which is now Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. So strictly speaking, they had a legit claim on Kashmir back then.

Kashmir is important to us mainly because of the Geo political strategic location. Before the fall of USSR, Kashmir was close to the boundaries of Pakistan, China and USSR (Now, I think Kazakh). Kashmir is the gateway to India for Pakistani terrorists as well as China, so it is very important to us. It is also close China, hence it is important to the Americans, who are itching to have a base here, and hence keep meddling in the issue.

As for the Kashmiris, they have been harassed for 60+ years by Pakistani terrorists as well as the Indian army. They have not had a fair share of India's progress, and hence many of them want to separate from India. I dont pretend to understand their situation sitting so far away, but for some reason they are not happy with India at the moment.

About literacy: a huge percentage of population depends on agriculture, and going to school is simply not a priority for many village kids. Even if they do go to school, its for the free meals, after a certain age they drop out and work in farms.

64% is low, yes, but its not really coming in the way of India's development. This is because, there are more serious roadblocks like secondary and higher education, and demand for skilled labour. I believe that if education provided immediate and tangible returns to a rural family, they would ensure that all their children are educated. I think that education rate in India is a result of demand/supply and not of a lack of schools.

Also, I would point out, that 64% rate also means that we are honest in our census surveys. I am not sure you can say the same about countries with one party rule.

9:42 PM
December 10, 2010


retarded patrakar

Member

posts 3

pretty interesting topic, a nice way of exchanging info i suppose.
I was really curious about the reaction of american locals when it comes to the entire controversy surrounding wikileaks.

1:01 AM
December 11, 2010


Dean West

Springfield, Illinois

Member

posts 30

American reaction to Wikileaks? Varies. On the right (republican/conservative) there's the usual gang of idiots screaming for indictments, arrest and even, sad to say, prison or execution – which will never happen. These folks are making way to much of it.

On the left (democrat/liberal) there's two camps, one saying it's a non-issue due to the first amendment, the other camps saying, "Yes, it's bad, but the first amendment still allows it."

The truth – as the vast majority of we in the middle know is this – Constitutional law allows the printing of it no matter what any 100 year old Espionage Act says, and that while they might get away with punishing the guy who stole the secrets, they can't touch the guy who published them.

Also, most of us – those who aren't big on politics – see this as a boring non-issue. Gee, a bunch of secret papers letting us know that our government still sucks. That diplomats can lie. That politicians can plot. That leaders do things opposite as to what they say…lol…I mean, come on, this is news?

There's no actual "leak" to this "Wikileaks", in that it's not telling anyone who's been around the block a few times anything they didn't already know. There's nothing new here, just the latest version of the same tired cycle of deceit, doltishness and dissembling. In other words, business as usual.

1:04 AM
December 11, 2010


Dean West

Springfield, Illinois

Member

posts 30

htiwari1 – thanks for the answer, that helped! I wish I could say I see a long term solution to that problem, but short of you paying off the minority Hindus there to move and giving it back to Pakistan, there is no real solution. And that "solution" probably wouldn't work either – I should know, my mother is from the United Kingdom, and the Irish problem still rages on for the fourth boring century.



 
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